Freedom of Speech? Only if you agree
An organisation called SIAN (Stop Islamization of Norway) held a demonstration in downtown Oslo on Saturday the 29th of September 2012. According to the pamphlets distributed at the event they were demonstrating against the special requirements demanded by muslims in Norway, like:
- New blasphemy laws to to prevent criticism of islam
- Banks for muslims
- The desire the connect sharia with Norwegian laws
- Elderly care centers for muslims only
- Kindergartens for muslims only
- Schools for muslims only
- Muslim food (halal) for muslim prisoners in Norwegian prisons
- Etc, etc.
The counter-demonstrators from the organisations Blitz, The Islamic Community of Oslo (Det Islamske Samfunn Oslo) and New S.O.S Racism (the old S.O.S Racism was closed down because the police started investigating them and found that they spent the money they had received from public funding and spent them on their personal well-being) also showed up. They always seem to arrange a demonstration when someone who doesn’t agree with their points of view are using their freedom of speech to express their opinion.
The Blitz/SOS gang were being held behind barriers by the police forces, that are fully aware that the counter-demonstrators are more than willing to throw rocks and use violence when people don’t agree with them. They also handed out pamphlets were it said that SIAN is a fascist organization spreading racism. They also claimed that SIAN was responsible for the Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik and that the thoughts SIAN is spreading is similar to Hitlers Jew-theories back in the 1930′s.
(“Fun” fact: during demonstrations against Israel in 2009, people from Islamic organisations & Blitz were throwing rocks and bottles while shooting fireworks against a small group of demonstrators that were supporting Israel. They were also shouting anti-Semitic slogans in Arabic and after the demonstration a 78-year old man that was a supporter of Israel was beaten up by muslim immigrants. After the demonstration they smashed up the center of Oslo – shop windows etc..)
Apparently freedom of speech shall only apply for those that agree with Blitz/SOS/Det Islamske Samfunn Oslo, and no one should be allowed to criticize Islam, the “prophet” Muhammed or immigration politics, because if they do they are dangerous fascists, Nazis and terrorists – all guilty of Crimethink/Thoughtcrime.
Here’s two small clips (in one):
Two way traffic, but some do not seeor act on it that way, it is take and keep on taking…then they still complain…and if that doesn’t work…..??
September 30, 2012 at 14:53
Seems like the idea is that if that doesn’t work, they can always smash some shops and set some cars on fire… It disgusts me to see how some groups just keep on spewing out demands without taking part in, or giving anything back to, society.
October 3, 2012 at 08:44
I had no idea that all of this is going on in Norway! Our media don’t cover it for some reason. This all sounds universally significant to me! Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Your photojournalism here is dramatic and highly effective.
October 1, 2012 at 00:50
This was just a tiny demonstration with a handful of people. Nothing newsworthy happened, but it seems to me like the organisation SIAN actually have a lot of support among the Norwegian people. While the “Blitz/SoS Racism/Det islamske Samfunn” don’t have a lot of supporters, except from their friends in the media. At least that’s the impression I get from news and debates I see here & there.
October 3, 2012 at 08:52
excellent post.
so good to hear what going on.
October 1, 2012 at 02:05
Thanks Gav. I was hoping to get some real action shots, like in this post: http://cardinalguzman.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/follow-up-on-the-violent-demonstration/
But, unfortunately (?) this demonstration was calm…
October 3, 2012 at 09:08
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October 3, 2012 at 13:10
Sounds complicated and messy, see on one hand I can understand the desire for schools and elder care focused towards certain ethnic and cultural groups, we have that in Canada – they fund it themselves generally though, with the exception of Catholic schools (although I do believe the Catholic church does kick in some money, why not – it’s not like they are a charity case) and I know there is a Chinese retirement home in town here, but they built that themselves, and there are all sorts of language schools here like French immersion and now even Ukrainian and Cree immersion for people who want their children to speak a language other than English. I get that they want halal food in prison too, because that is showing respect to their religious beliefs and is just part of being culturally sensitive. What I don’t get is why they would need laws to prevent criticism (does any one else have that? I don’t think so) or special banks, and the sharia law thing – not so much, if you start connecting religious laws with state laws it just gets muddy because not everyone is the same religion – it’s the same problem over here (more so in the US than Canada though) where they try to impose Christianity on the general public, you have to keep religion out of the court house basically – there is freedom of religion but there should be freedom FROM religion too, ack!
November 23, 2012 at 03:57
Well, if they behaved like (good muslims claim that good) muslims are supposed to, they wouldn’t be jailed in the first place.
I don’t see why they suddenly become such good muslims just after they’ve ended up in jail? In my opinion they should have thought about that before they ended up in that situation.
We should’ve fed them nothing but pig & potatoes.
Also, if someone fund their own institutions (care for the elderly etc), they should be allowed to run it the way they feel appropriate. But in Norway the government is eager to please all kind of immigrants, but not the Norwegians:
For example asylum seekers (even the ones that have been rejected) are entitled to free dental care, no matter what the costs are. While our elderly that has helped build the nation, have to pay for their own dental care – even if they living on minimum pensions!
the government also spend more money on inmates than what they do on the old folks. It’s a disgrace and it sickens me.
November 23, 2012 at 17:33
That makes sense!
November 24, 2012 at 23:48